more to identify

[guyana1230]

Hi all, I have found more stamps to be identified if possible, all help greatly appreciated.  Would have been more but I managed to find some myself

[khj]

R1S1  --  not Scott listed;  Allepuz #1, Spanish Civil War era charity label for town of Vergel; you might have the black on chestnut paper variety (the other option is brown paper)

R1S2  --  Swiss revenue for the Canton of Valais

R1S3  --  unknown European revenue, I will need a close up to see the design more clearly

R2S1  --  Scott Italian States Parma #9(1859), I will need to check to see if it is a forgery/counterfeit (very common for Italian states)

R2S2  --  Scott Russia Army of the North #3(Sep1919), looks like you have genuine (on the forgery, the letters "CA" do not touch at the base)

[khj]

So you don't get your hopes up too high, it looks like a forgery.  But I cannot be certain at this point.

Please provide a high resolution pic of the Parma stamp as well.  Thank you!

[guyana1230]

khj is there anything you don't know about stamps? Wish I had half your knowledge, maybe I wouldn't have made so many mistakes in the past then.

The unknown European revenue, when enlarged I realize is Netherlands


and a very poor condition one at that

[guyana1230]

here is an enlargement of the Parma stamp

[guyana1230]

and the Russian Army of the North




hope these pics help, many thanks for all your help khj

[khj]

...half your knowledge

If I told my better half someone said that about me, she might say half of nothing is still nothing.

when enlarged I realize is Netherlands

That it is. I was going to guess Belgian or at least Benelux, but decided asking for a bigger pic was wiser.

The Parma is a forgery. Sorry.

The OKCA stamp is genuine. These are quite common, both genuine and forged.

I'll show marked pics later to explain what criteria I used to ID the forgery/genuine.

[khj]

Here's how to identify the Parma as a forgery.



I have cropped the area of interest in your forgery. Beside it are cropped images from 2 different genuine settings.  The full sheet consists of 72 stamps, and the 2 images at the right are from positions 19(top) and 27(bottom).  Position 19 is an example of the common setting and all the other positions look like it EXCEPT for Position 27.

Look at the "15" and the frame line above circled in blue.

-- There should be a break in the frame line, as shown in the right side pictures.  Rare but occasionally, however, there are genuine printings in which the frame line appears "reconnected" due to printing irregularities or stamp changelings.

Therefore use the next tests to confirm.

-- The "1" should have a large top serif.   Yours does not. EXCEPT for position 27, the "1" should also tilt to the left slightly and the "5" tilt to the right.

-- The "5" should be tilted to the right.  Yours does not.  The exception is Position 27, where both numerals are upright. Your stamp cannot be Position 27 because your "1" tilts to the left.

It is possible for the long serif on the "1" to have be absent due to a printing oddity.  However, you stamp is still a forgery because your "5" is upright but while your "1" is tilted.

So the key is the "5".  You will also note that the "5" in your forgery is noticeably different (especially the flag) to the two known genuine setting types.

[khj]

For the Russian Army of the North stamp, I have cropped the area of interest. Sorry, I do not have a forged stamp handy, but they are also common.



In the area circled in blue, the "CA" is connected at the base in genuine copies. In forgeries there is a clear gap. The splotch at the base of the left leg of the "A" is also indicative of a genuine setting.

The octagon enclosing the "OKCA" should be a little vertically squished in appearance. On the forgeries, the vertical squish is not at all obvious (only 0.5mm difference).

[kacyds]

popcorn

[ChickasawStampMan]

Amazing!!