Russia identification needed please

[guyana1230]

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[Butterfly]

1: Scott Siberia #2, cv $2.75(2009 catalog)

2: Scott South Russia #65, cv $0.35

Working on far 3 and 4 without much success yet.

3 and 4: Chita issue of Far Eastern Republic

Scott #s 53 and 56, respectively ($1.25 and $0.85)

[guyana1230]

Ah, think 3 and 4 could be Far Eastern Republic (SG) comes under Siberia in SG. If I am right then they would be SG51b and SG56, 1921.

[guyana1230]

Butterfly, thanks, I had forgotten about all these Anti-bolsovik (spelling?) issues, found some more stamps to try and identify possibly from these sort of areas, if I get stuck will show on here for more help.

[guyana1230]

Haven't been able to find these, I know I've seen them before but can't think where in Russia they come from;

[stampie78]

Aug 8, 2019 13:39:21 GMT -5 guyana1230 said:

Haven't been able to find these, I know I've seen them before but can't think where in Russia they come from;

Footnote at the end of Latvia. Under stamps issued under Russian Occupation.

"Eight typographed stamps of this design were prepared in 1919, but never placed in use. they exist both perforated and imperforate. Value, set Imperf. $1, and perf. $2."  Scott also notes these exist as reprints and counterfeits.

I think every collector who has collected WW over the years must have at least some of these issues. Most likely they ended up in the packet trade years ago. Hope this helps.

[nigelc]

The Scott heading referring to a Russian Occupation of Latvia is potentially misleading.

The "Western Army" or "West Russian Volunteer Army" was more a German unit than a Russian one although it claimed to support the government of Admiral Kolchak in Siberia.

There's a good summary on Wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Russian_Volunteer_Army

[khj]

You have a mix of forgeries, reprints, and genuine for the Latvia stamps.

As best I can tell from a quick glance:

forgeries -- 10, 50, 75k
probably reprints -- 30k
possibly genuine -- 5, 15, 20k

[guyana1230]

Aug 8, 2019 18:25:55 GMT -5 khj said:

You have a mix of forgeries, reprints, and genuine for the Latvia stamps.

As best I can tell from a quick glance:

forgeries -- 10, 50, 75k
probably reprints -- 30k
possibly genuine -- 5, 15, 20k

Looking closely at the stamps I can see what you mean, the differences between them certainly make it seem that you are correct so I have mounted them as such.

Thank you for your help.

[guyana1230]

Can anyone identify the overprint on this Russian stamp, I cannot make out what it is and have one more that is the same but even fainter

[Butterfly]

Looks like a Ukraine local issue, maybe Kiev II. Scott #22f

[youpiao]

The 10k, 50k, and 75k values are immediately identifiable as fakes by the flat top edge of the numeral background. Genuine stamps have a curved edge with a dimple in the center.

Genuine stamps also have only 9 dots in the columns of dots just beyond the wingtips.Plus the spacing between the dots should be somewhat indistinct. Clearly separated dots, as in the 10, 50, and 75, are signs of fakery.

As for the 5k stamp, while the bull's head shape of the numeral background could be a plate wear and/or inking issue, it appears to me there are 10 dots, making it a fake.

[nigelc]

I agree that the Ukraine overprint looks like the Kiev types but I think it's too big.

The horizontal line along the top of the trident also looks odd. I guess this is from the edge of the handstamp. I've not seen that before.

I suspect that this is a forgery.

[khj]

I had also noticed the outside curves of the trident seem to extend far out to the left & right. Not knowing the configuration of the handstamp, I had assumed that the extension might have been the edge of the handstamp as well, since there seems to be straight line that goes all the way across the top of the trident.

[guyana1230]

Aug 10, 2019 18:22:29 GMT -5 nigelc said:

I agree that the Ukraine overprint looks like the Kiev types but I think it's too big.

The horizontal line along the top of the trident also looks odd. I guess this is from the edge of the handstamp. I've not seen that before.

I suspect that this is a forgery.

Now that I know where to look I went to my SG cat. and under Ukraine it states "Arms type of Russia optd with Trident device in various types according to the district.", so I guess it could be genuine or a forgery, but, without a definitive guide on the various overprints I may never know for sure.  At least I now know where it is supposed to come from.  Thanks

[jonesy]

This thread was really helpful as I have had a few questions on identifying the fakes in my collection. I am happy to report I only had one (not that I had many to begin with) however all of the ones in my Great Grandfathers collection were genuine. Thanks to all!!!