Help with a 1923 Belgium Scott Number

[tomd]

My 2008 Scott catalog states

Belgium Stamp

Scott # 168 is King Albert I, 5 fr {Franks}, Brown Violet

But there are 2

1) King Albert I, 5 fr {Franks}, Brown

2) King Albert I, 5 fr {Franks}, Violet

Any help?

tomd

[janstamp]

Hello tomd,

There are 2 King Albert I type "Montenez" 5 Francs:

Scott 168 - Michel 183 - Yvert 217 -  Belgian catalog 217 - issued 1923, Oct. 15th  has a violet color
Scott 171a - Michel 186 - Yvert 218 - Belgian catalog 218, issued 1924, May 24th has a brown color

The second stamp was issued in a souvenir sheet of 4 stamps at the Philatelic Exhibition of Bruxelles and only sold at the exhibition and via subscription.

The color of the first stamps is indicated in MICHEL as "braunlichlila"  (brownish light lilac)

[tomd]

I found it and thank you so much janstamp

[tomd]

I like your avatar which is Belgium chocolate.
When I was in the Navy I was in Belgium and had some there, they were great.


With that being said I have another one I can not find .



This is all I can find on precancels and they are for 1949



I need one for 1950

Any help would also be very helpful janstamp

tomd

[Butterfly]

Belgium precancels aren't listed in Scott, so Scott would call it #266.

The 1949 surcharged stamp was issued together with the precancel. If it had been issued both with and without the precancel they would have only shown the surcharge part.

EDIT:  The Michel catalog summarizes the types of precancels used, but my old catalog is in German only.  I made the mistake of trying to collect the precancels and am now trying figure out how to get out gracefully!  Imagine trying to collect all of the USA precancels

Belgium may have more?

[janstamp]

Belgian precancels exist with precancel-surcharges in 10 different types, from 1894 to 1996.

First the precancel was handstamped, and different for each postoffice.  Every year, or halfyear the surcharge changed, and every important post-office used its own

The first precancel is f.e.  one with the handstamped surcharge "Anvers 1894" on the stamp Scott nr. 62 (Michel nr. 60).  
Later on the surcharge changes in a bilingual type f.e. "Antwerpen 1911 Anvers"  

There are 6056 different surcharges of these handstamped types (the latest in 1938), and the specialised collector distinguishes these precancels also in function of the position of the surcharge of the stamps (horizontal, vertical, upside, ....).Some are pretty rare.

From 1906 on in some offices the use of typographical precancels started and in 1930 a surcharge for the hole country was introduced.
"Belgique 1930 België" f.e.    These were used simultaneously with the "office-precancels".

In 1938 the use of office-precancels stopped and only precancels for the hole country remained.
In 1938 a different precancel for each month was issued.
From 1939 till 1954 two different precancels were issued each year 
From 1954 till 1966 one  precancels was issued each year
From 1967 on the year wasn't any longer indicated in the surcharge and the precancels stamps remained valid without end.

There are some 838 different typograhical precancels, and here also one can distinguish surcharge in function of the position on the stamp.


If you want to collect the Belgian precancels, a specialised catalogue is advicable. I known only one, in french and dutch.
The Belgian stampcatalog C.O.B. only mentiones the precancels from 1938 and later. The handstamped ones and the first 332 typographicals are not mentioned.  The numbering of the mentioned ones however starts correctly with nr. PRE333.