This is my first created post. I hope it is in the right place. I am looking for locations that can and will certify several HV stamps that I have. I have looked around the site and have read many of the posts on here. Looks like a great community that I will be back to often Anyway, does anyone have a list or a reputable APEX organization to deal with in Tennessee.
For all the organizations that provided expertizing services, the material must be submitted to their expertizing office. They will not allow you to submit the material directly to the expertizer or member location.
The organization you submit to is determined by the material -- for example, US stamps to APEX or PF, British Commonwealth to RPS, German stamps to BPP, general WW to Sismondo... check the Filatelia website for a good list of experts and their areas. In general, specialist in area is always preferable to general expertizer -- so pick your expertizer/organization carefully with due consideration to cost/purpose.
Submit to wrong expertizer, you're just wasting your money. Also, there is still some back-and-forth going between some expertizer organizations and auction houses (no names mentioned), so some auctioneers refuse to recognize certain organization certificates for purposes of refund.
If you have never submitted an item for certification, I strongly recommend that you post your stamp in one of the stamp forums, get an opinion for any obvious problems, and also get an opinion whether you should get it certified. If you already feel comfortable with your abilities, then go ahead.
The organizations/individuals earn boatloads of money on stamps that are obvious fakes/altered (on genuine high premium stamps, they don't deduct for condition of stamp or alterations, you are charged a % based on the full catalog value) or stamps for which certificates don't really improve the saleability of the stamp. On stamps with minor premium, you will get charged base rate, regardless of positive/negative opinion.
KHJ, Thank you for that information. We have never before considered selling our stamps, however if I have the 4 stamps that I think I do, they need to be in the hands of someone or some organization that can appreciate them. My late mother gave me her collection back in the 70s. She had been collecting since the 50s. This one particular stamp was hinged filling a spot in her book. My wife has recently started spending more time with me as I catalogue and sort out my stamps. She is extremely persnickety when it come to detail oriented tasks and as such started to look up and properly identify them for my collection. Many of the stamps were misidentified and now that has been corrected. I have even gone as far recently of buying several lots off of ebay for her to peruse. I had stated with my first post that we had picked up over 9 lbs of stamps (off paper)... come to find out it is almost 60,000 stamps. That should keep her busy HEHEHE. Anyway, to make a very long story short, she measured one of the 1 cent Franklins and found out that it was a special printing and if it is indeed the stamp we both think that it is it is one that should be sold to someone who could both appreciate it and afford it I will post images of the stamp with perf shown and measurements. According to the 2019 Scott Catalogue there are only 8 others known to exist. We shall see if we have number 9.
Thanks again KHJ. At least you can understand the reason for needing to know the right way to go about validating our stamps.
That's exciting that both you and your wife have a strong interest in stamps. I certainly hope you both enjoy the voyage!
That being said, the special printings and the rare 2c Harding are some of the most frequently mis-identified "rare" stamps. The special printings can only be identified by paper type, measuring perfs is not sufficient (hence, commonly mis-IDed). Assuming the measurements are "correct", I can show you how to identify the soft porous paper of the 1880 reprint. The hard paper of the 1875 special printing is a lot more difficult to explain. There's more than one 1c Franklin, and also more than the 2 special printings I mentioned.
If you are interested, start off by posting a scan of your stamp (minimum 400dpi, but 600dpi preferred) so we know which 1c Franklin you are talking about. No camera pics, must be a scan. Post only the stamp, not the surrounding album page, nor the single stamp as a small part of a large background -- the stamp is the only thing that matters.
Having my wife with me while I "play" with my stamps is just a bonus I'll work on the scan this evening after we get the kids to bed. The stamp in question is the 1c Franklin green (#596) which measures 19 1/4 x 22 1/2 mm with a perf of 11. even the paper looks right. Stay tuned...
OK, thanks. Now I know which stamp you are talking about. Forget about what I said about the soft porous paper, since that was for another stamp series.
Forget measuring size with a ruler. There's really only one initial test for a possible #596 (by the way, I believe there are now actually 13 examples -- the 8 you quoted are for the Kansas City bureau pre-cancels).
First, confirm that your stamp is perf 11 on all four sides. Then use the following test to distinguish your possible #596 from other possibilities:
1. compare side by side with a #581
Yup, that's it!!! The reason you do not use a ruler to measure is because the dimensions given in Scott is approximate. For pre-1970 stamps, Scott rounds everything to the nearest ½ for perfs and the nearest ¼ for dimensions -- a lot of people are not aware of that. In fact, if you go to different sources, you will find the dimensions given will either be off by ¼ mm or an "+" appended (indicating "or larger").
So the proper method is to compare to a #581. Why? Because #581 and #596 were made from the exact same rotary plate. Therefore they are identical in every way except any post-printing production. Which, in this case, would be the perforation.
#581 is perf 10, while #596 is perf 11. No other post-printing differences (ignore color shades). Because #581 is the only perf 10 1c Franklin of the 1922 series, it can be uniquely and easily identified by perforation only. It is a common stamp, easily found. Take the #581, shift/overlay your possible #596 and match (do not measure) to see if the dimensions in both directions align perfectly. If they align perfectly, and your stamp measures perf 11 all the way around, then we can discuss ways to ferret out altered stamps, but at least you have a chance. If the dimensions do not align perfectly in both directions, you've got something other than a #596.
So, if you want to show pics to prove a possible #596:
Show a pic properly aligned horizontally/vertically with the stamp over a perforation gauge demonstrating perf 11. Make sure all 4 sides are visible so we can confirm all sides are perf 11.
Show another pic with the possible #596 overlayed (or side by side) on a #581 in the same scan (not separate scans). Make sure the stamps are aligned horizontally/vertically as much as possible, and the stamps are flat. We can do the image manipulation to slide the stamp image to see if the dimensions match.
In case anyone is wondering why mdroth is making this request -- if there is evidence of setoff, then the stamp was printed by flat plate press, which would rule out a #596. The setoff is not always there, but is useful in quickly spotting flat plate press stamps. I'm assuming you have a used stamp with no gum.
While it is possible to create a fake setoff on gummed stamps, there would be little reason to change a high premium stamp to junk status.
Good evening all. I still do not have the scans as of yet. My wife left late and is still not back from her mothers. She will probably be gone all night which leaves me tomorrow to post the scans. I would go into her box of tricks to look for the 581 but I am sure that I am not the only man on here that would not get an ounce of rest shuffling things his wife is anal retentive about I will research further on the links above however. Thanks for the great feedback. As for the back of the stamp... fully understood and no issues at all. As soon as I get the other stamp to work with, I will have all uploaded.
Have a great night all. I am going to go and look around the forum a little. See how much more I do not know
While I'm waiting for the email to confirm me Just wanted to let you know it took us 2 days to find a 581. Bloody aggravating. However, at the end of the day all I had to do was look in my main stamp book. Some days... it just doesn't pay to get out of bed
It was next to impossible to put the stamp on the perf gauge and scan it. So I am adding the high res scans and then showing a photo of the stamp on the perf gauge to show one as a 10 and one as an 11. That should hopefully be sufficient. I have the back of the stamps scanned also. I have placed a perf gauge on one of the scans... I was not sure if you had a way of cutting and pasting the images so wanted to give you as raw an image with all of the necessary elements. With any luck, we have the 596... Truth be known... it was more difficult to find the 581 Anyway... still waiting on the confirmation email from the image upload section...
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